Mourinho Fires Back at Fermin Ahead of El Clasico: We Are Tired of Other Things
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TL;DR: Jose Mourinho answered Barcelona midfielder Fermin Lopez’s complaint that Real Madrid’s talk about referees is getting tiresome with a short, pointed reply at Saturday’s pre-Clasico press conference: there are many things that keep happening that tire Real Madrid too. Fermin had told Spanish broadcaster Teledeporte that Barcelona would rather be judged on their football, after nine straight league wins. Mourinho refused to name the things that tire his side, insisted he starts from the assumption that the referee is good, and said previous form counts for little once El Clasico begins at Camp Nou on Sunday.
El Clasico rarely needs a warm-up act, but this one got one anyway, and it came in two sentences. Fermin Lopez said he was tired of Real Madrid’s refereeing discourse. Jose Mourinho said Madrid were tired of other things. Neither man named his grievance in full, which is precisely why the exchange travelled.
What did Fermin actually say?
Fermin spoke first, and his complaint was about emphasis rather than a single decision. In an interview with Spanish broadcaster Teledeporte, the Barcelona midfielder said Madrid’s continued references to refereeing controversies had become tiresome, Sports Mole reports, particularly while Barcelona were demonstrating their quality through results and performances. His formulation was careful: it is getting a bit tiresome because we are showing our level on the pitch. He added that Barcelona’s players preferred to concentrate on their own football, and suggested that raising officiating issues suited Madrid’s interests, without elaborating on any specific incident.
That restraint is part of the point. Fermin did not accuse a referee of anything, and he did not revisit a single call. He accused Madrid of a habit, the habit of talking about referees, and he framed Barcelona’s nine straight league wins as the answer to it. A team that has won every league game does not need the discourse, in his telling, because the table already speaks. He also refused to call Barcelona favourites, telling Teledeporte it is a match either team can win, which keeps the complaint from sounding like a boast even as the league positions invite one.
How did Mourinho answer?
With a sentence designed to be quoted whole, and a refusal to explain it. Asked about Fermin’s remark at Saturday’s press conference, Mourinho said: “What can I say? There are many things that keep happening that tire us, and Fermin gets tired of our discourse. That’s how it is.” Sports Mole and Managing Madrid report the same wording, and Sports Mole notes the important limit of it: Mourinho stopped short of identifying exactly which events he considered frustrating, leaving the remark open to interpretation without making a specific new allegation.
That is classic Mourinho in a Clasico week, and it is worth naming as a technique rather than mistaking it for vagueness. A named grievance can be rebutted; an unnamed one cannot, and it invites every Madrid supporter to fill in their own list. The list on offer this week is long enough without him writing it: Vinicius Junior’s four-match ban for the hair pull against Villarreal, which rules him out of Sunday’s game; the Bernal headbutt case that has kept Spanish disciplinary procedure in the news; and Madrid’s wider, public fight with La Liga president Javier Tebas, covered in the Tebas resignation demand. Mourinho did not connect his sentence to any of those cases. He did not need to.
What about the referee for Sunday’s game?
Mourinho was also asked about the referee appointed to Sunday’s fixture, and his answer there was more precise than his answer about Fermin. He said he always starts from the assumption that the referee is good, Sports Mole reports, while expressing concern about situations in which established rules are not followed. Managing Madrid carries the same distinction: the referee’s name never bothers him, he starts from the premise the referee is good, but what bothers him is the breaking of the rules.
The context for that question is reporting, not a finding, and it should be kept that way. Reports have linked referee Jose Luis Munuera Montero to coaching payments connected to the son of Jose Maria Enriquez Negreira, the former vice-president of the referees’ technical committee, and Mourinho told his press conference he had been surprised by the speculation while stressing he had no personal objection to the appointment. AfricaSoccer, reporting AS, carries the same framing. Nothing in that reporting establishes wrongdoing by the referee, and Mourinho’s own words refuse to allege any. The row is about rules and appointments in the abstract, which is exactly where a pre-match row is safest for a manager and most frustrating for everyone else.
What is actually at stake on Sunday?
A nine-point lead, or the end of one before it hardens. Barcelona have 27 points from nine wins, Madrid have 21 from seven wins and two defeats, Sports Mole reports, so a home win at Camp Nou would take Barcelona nine points clear after only ten rounds. That is the kind of gap that ends title races in October, even if nobody at either club will say so before kick-off. Mourinho, predictably, refused the premise, saying Madrid arrive in good form, win matches, play well and score goals, but that in Clasicos previous form has no influence.
Who are the players both sides singled out?
Courtois and Mbappe for Barcelona, Yamal for Madrid, and respect in both directions. Fermin told Teledeporte he would remove Courtois, who wins Madrid a lot of points with saves, and Mbappe, who is a special player, Sports Mole reports, while adding that Madrid have very good players throughout and Barcelona must control all of them as a team. Mourinho returned the respect when asked about Lamine Yamal, calling him a great player but insisting Madrid would not abandon their structure to contain one opponent, a point that echoes the wider debate about Yamal’s treatment by officials in Spanish football this season.
Fermin, for his part, named the two Madrid players he would most like to remove from the game: Thibaut Courtois, who wins Madrid a lot of points with saves, and Kylian Mbappe, who is a special player, Sports Mole reports. Mourinho returned the respect in kind when asked about Lamine Yamal, calling him a great player but insisting Madrid would not abandon their structure to contain one opponent. Those exchanges, polite and professional, are the other half of a Clasico build-up: the players talk about football, the managers talk about everything around it, and on Sunday at 8pm UK time at Camp Nou, as with Saka’s absence from Arsenal’s weekend fixture, the absences and the arguments give way to the game itself. Fermin is tired of the discourse. Mourinho is tired of other things. By Sunday night, one of them will have something else to be tired about.
Frequently asked questions
What did Fermin Lopez actually say about Real Madrid?+
That their talk about referees is getting tiresome. Speaking to Spanish broadcaster Teledeporte, Fermin said it is getting a bit tiresome because Barcelona are showing their level on the pitch, Sports Mole reports. He added that Barcelona's players prefer to concentrate on their own football rather than become involved in disputes about officials, and suggested that raising such issues suited Madrid's interests.
What was Mourinho's exact reply?+
'What can I say? There are many things that keep happening that tire us, and Fermin gets tired of our discourse. That's how it is.' That is the wording Sports Mole and Managing Madrid both report from Saturday's press conference. Mourinho did not list the things he meant, and Sports Mole notes his reply stopped short of identifying any specific event, leaving it open to interpretation without making a new allegation.
Why is the refereeing row running before this Clasico?+
Because Madrid's public complaints about officiating have become part of the build-up, and because the appointment of Sunday's referee has itself been reported in the context of the Negreira case. Managing Madrid reports Mourinho was asked about reports linking referee Jose Luis Munuera Montero to coaching payments connected to the son of former referees chief Jose Maria Enriquez Negreira. Those reports are attributed, not established findings, and Mourinho said the referee's name never bothers him.
What did Mourinho say about the referee himself?+
That he starts from the assumption the referee is good. Sports Mole reports Mourinho said he always starts from that assumption, while expressing concern about situations in which established rules are not followed. Managing Madrid carries the same distinction in fuller form: the referee's name never bothers him, he starts from the premise the referee is good, but what bothers him is the breaking of the rules.
What is at stake in Sunday's Clasico?+
A nine-point gap, or a lifeline. Barcelona have won all nine league matches for 27 points, while Madrid have 21 from seven wins and two defeats, Sports Mole reports. A Barcelona win at Camp Nou would stretch their lead to nine points after only ten rounds. Mourinho dismissed the idea that form decides a Clasico, saying previous results have little influence once the match begins.
How does this fit Mourinho's history with Barcelona?+
It revives a familiar pattern. Sports Mole notes the exchange recalls Mourinho's first spell at Real Madrid between 2010 and 2013, when disagreements over refereeing regularly intensified the rivalry. This is his second spell's first Clasico, and the language is already familiar: a Barcelona player tired of Madrid's discourse, and a Mourinho reply that turns the complaint back on the complainant.
Who did Fermin name as Madrid's biggest threats?+
Kylian Mbappe and Thibaut Courtois. Asked which Madrid players he would remove from the team if he could, Fermin told Teledeporte he would take both out, Sports Mole reports, because Courtois wins Madrid a lot of points with saves and Mbappe is a special player. He added that Madrid have very good players throughout and Barcelona must control all of them as a team.
When and where is El Clasico played?+
At Camp Nou on Sunday, October 25, with kick-off scheduled for 8pm UK time, Sports Mole reports. Madrid travel without Vinicius Junior, who is serving the second match of his four-game suspension for the hair pull against Villarreal, a ban covered in [the Vinicius suspension article](/vinicius-hair-pull-red-card-villarreal/). Barcelona are also without the suspended player narrative on their side: they arrive unbeaten in the league.
Sources
- Sports Mole: Mourinho fires back at Fermin Lopez (the Teledeporte interview, Mourinho's press-conference reply, the 27-21 points gap, the Camp Nou kick-off)
- Managing Madrid: Mourinho on Fermin, the referee and the title race (the full press-conference transcript extracts, the Munuera/Negreira question, the 'Real Madrid with Mourinho wins titles' line)
- FootMundo: Mourinho's Clasico press conference in full (the Fermin answer in context, the Yamal and Flick answers, the 'not a finished product' framing)
- AfricaSoccer: Mourinho says rules, not referee identity, are at issue (the AS-based report of the Munuera appointment speculation and Mourinho's rules framing)
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